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Old 11-02-2011, 12:31 PM
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Island - it's not a simple vote republican or democrat issue. Any tax changes would have to be passed by congress and we've seen how well they work together for the people of this country.

Let's see what super important things they did yesterday . . .

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_1...e-trust-motto/
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Old 11-02-2011, 01:01 PM
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...it's not a simple vote republican or democrat issue...
Too true, unfortunately. Our two entrenched political parties have been taken over by the extreme left and right. There's almost nobody left to represent a centrist viewpoint, and there's an ever decreasing chance of the two parties reaching consensus on the critical issues. I'm not optimistic that the next election will change anything regardless of the outcome.

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Old 11-02-2011, 06:27 PM
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Yeah the strategy is to vote for someone that will...

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Great thread fellow members. My question to those that are rightfully PO'ed and support the notion of change.............

WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO CHANGE THINGS EVEN AT THE SMALLEST LEVEL?????

Ever since the media began with sound bites and anything else to sell their garbage there has been the world of "SPIN". Your "word" and a hand shake need to come back into style. Raising my kids right ranks right up there with my best contribution to society.........

As the saying goes with what you surround yourself with..........GARBAGE IN GARBAGE OUT!

If anyone is motivated to "give back" to society, A great way to start would be to DONATE your SeaCraft to me and I will contact the proper individuals to help you with the process..........
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Old 11-02-2011, 07:16 PM
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Danny....you a tricky rascal!!! I will donate my SeaCraft gas bills to you instead!!

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Old 11-03-2011, 07:41 AM
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Don-I would gladly arrange to cover gas for you if you sign a small commitment letter to my donation fund. It will be painless...
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Old 11-03-2011, 07:48 AM
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I didn't know you were a proctologist?? Painless??, they all say that!!
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Old 11-03-2011, 10:59 AM
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Island - it's not a simple vote republican or democrat issue. Any tax changes would have to be passed by congress and we've seen how well they work together for the people of this country.

Let's see what super important things they did yesterday . . .

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_1...e-trust-motto/
Yep we can go round and round. The point I was trying to make is it also takes a leader...Mr. Hope and Change gave a lot of people the idea he could make a difference. He had the mandate, and after 2 years Hope and Change is now the same as every other politician just worried about his job and not the country.

Another good example 2 days ago Freddie and Fannie, (who supports them?) gave themselves a big bonus. Even Harry Reid was for a loss of words, if you didn't see that you should.

It starts from the top down in any organization. If the top has a good Pres. the rest follows through.

Look at any University system, business, or sports team.

It all starts at the top.

That's my story and I'm stickin to it.
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Old 11-03-2011, 01:44 PM
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I hear you . . . Our leaders leave a lot to be desired. It's a total disgrace on both sides. When the speaker of the house Boehner throw tempers tantrums like a 5 year old brat . . . who can we look up too? When the president appoints Jeffrey Immelt as President's Economic Recovery Advisory Board (Former GE CEO who paid $0 federal taxes in 2010 and recently offshored GE's entire x-ray division to china) . . . You know you are getting screwed when you vote for either party! It's divide and conquer politics . . . we're so busy fighting each other on stupid issues like who had sex with someone, or abortion, or "in god we trust motto", that we are not solving any real problems or paying attention. Until we do . . . Corporations will rule this country and continue get away with murder . . . we are the ones that will suffer!

Who/where is the top? That's a great question.

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Old 11-03-2011, 02:30 PM
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Heading for deep water now but I really don't believe the Executive Branch leadership is the problem right now (although B is very guilty of cronyism). Keep in mind there are 3 separate branches of government and some very polarizing figures (most of which are on Capitol Hill).

The president has morphed perhaps more than he should have in many cases to try keep a hurting nation moving forward when the world is at an economic standstill. The Judiciary has been mostly unheard because B hasn't tried to slip anything by, and the Legislature can't resolve an argument for them to consider.

I think leadership at the Legislative Branch has been the problem since before Clinton was run from office, but that period really polarized the legislative parties. Lack of co-operation between the legislators and their incessant respective pimping to corporate players that affect their constituencies has been the root of this economic dark age. I think the Nanci Pelosis and her republican mirror images need to get the hell out of the way, and that this legislative mass of egomaniacs elected by the people for the people need get their collective feces together to find common ground for the people. A good start would be to address single issues rather than bundling ridiculous fecal matter into unrelated bills for their cronies. Works for the Judiciary...

These folks are elected to do whats best for the most people - not always easy I know, but hell, couldn't they at least make an effort to consider the people that actually make the nation. e pluribus unum - remember? This is only my opinion, but a single corporation's political want should never trump the vote of a million American taxpaxers, and yet it happens every day

I see democracy as a fair way to do the best for the majority. The agreement is to agree to disagree. If I win the debate we do do it my way. You don't have to like it but you go along with it rather than sabotaging the process. When you win the debate the roles are reversed.
It's a good step toward the unattainable "Utopia."

But if one man's avarice and greed for more than he needs, or his disdain for another man's point of view force that other man to feel compelled or desperate enough steal or kill to get a bag of beans or a bottle of beer, then the principal itself is lost.

In that case only Sir Thomas More (on paper) and Todd Rundgren (on vinyl) will have Utopia. Well, and those who ride on a vdh, of course

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Old 11-20-2011, 12:19 PM
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http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/20/us/cal...ray/index.html

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2011/11...ugher-response
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