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Old 11-03-2011, 10:59 AM
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Island - it's not a simple vote republican or democrat issue. Any tax changes would have to be passed by congress and we've seen how well they work together for the people of this country.

Let's see what super important things they did yesterday . . .

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_1...e-trust-motto/
Yep we can go round and round. The point I was trying to make is it also takes a leader...Mr. Hope and Change gave a lot of people the idea he could make a difference. He had the mandate, and after 2 years Hope and Change is now the same as every other politician just worried about his job and not the country.

Another good example 2 days ago Freddie and Fannie, (who supports them?) gave themselves a big bonus. Even Harry Reid was for a loss of words, if you didn't see that you should.

It starts from the top down in any organization. If the top has a good Pres. the rest follows through.

Look at any University system, business, or sports team.

It all starts at the top.

That's my story and I'm stickin to it.
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Old 11-03-2011, 01:44 PM
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I hear you . . . Our leaders leave a lot to be desired. It's a total disgrace on both sides. When the speaker of the house Boehner throw tempers tantrums like a 5 year old brat . . . who can we look up too? When the president appoints Jeffrey Immelt as President's Economic Recovery Advisory Board (Former GE CEO who paid $0 federal taxes in 2010 and recently offshored GE's entire x-ray division to china) . . . You know you are getting screwed when you vote for either party! It's divide and conquer politics . . . we're so busy fighting each other on stupid issues like who had sex with someone, or abortion, or "in god we trust motto", that we are not solving any real problems or paying attention. Until we do . . . Corporations will rule this country and continue get away with murder . . . we are the ones that will suffer!

Who/where is the top? That's a great question.

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Old 11-03-2011, 02:30 PM
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Heading for deep water now but I really don't believe the Executive Branch leadership is the problem right now (although B is very guilty of cronyism). Keep in mind there are 3 separate branches of government and some very polarizing figures (most of which are on Capitol Hill).

The president has morphed perhaps more than he should have in many cases to try keep a hurting nation moving forward when the world is at an economic standstill. The Judiciary has been mostly unheard because B hasn't tried to slip anything by, and the Legislature can't resolve an argument for them to consider.

I think leadership at the Legislative Branch has been the problem since before Clinton was run from office, but that period really polarized the legislative parties. Lack of co-operation between the legislators and their incessant respective pimping to corporate players that affect their constituencies has been the root of this economic dark age. I think the Nanci Pelosis and her republican mirror images need to get the hell out of the way, and that this legislative mass of egomaniacs elected by the people for the people need get their collective feces together to find common ground for the people. A good start would be to address single issues rather than bundling ridiculous fecal matter into unrelated bills for their cronies. Works for the Judiciary...

These folks are elected to do whats best for the most people - not always easy I know, but hell, couldn't they at least make an effort to consider the people that actually make the nation. e pluribus unum - remember? This is only my opinion, but a single corporation's political want should never trump the vote of a million American taxpaxers, and yet it happens every day

I see democracy as a fair way to do the best for the majority. The agreement is to agree to disagree. If I win the debate we do do it my way. You don't have to like it but you go along with it rather than sabotaging the process. When you win the debate the roles are reversed.
It's a good step toward the unattainable "Utopia."

But if one man's avarice and greed for more than he needs, or his disdain for another man's point of view force that other man to feel compelled or desperate enough steal or kill to get a bag of beans or a bottle of beer, then the principal itself is lost.

In that case only Sir Thomas More (on paper) and Todd Rundgren (on vinyl) will have Utopia. Well, and those who ride on a vdh, of course

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Old 11-20-2011, 12:19 PM
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http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/20/us/cal...ray/index.html

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2011/11...ugher-response
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Old 11-20-2011, 06:48 PM
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The answer to all of this is real simple!!

THROW THEM ALL OUT!!!!

Now how hard is that???

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Old 11-20-2011, 07:06 PM
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Ken, you said it perfectly!!!! They have had enough chances..........more than enough.

And as luck would have it, I've only got one vote, rats!
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Old 11-20-2011, 08:51 PM
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The answer to all of this is real simple!!

THROW THEM ALL OUT!!!!

Now how hard is that???
Well, pretty hard, it looks like. Not saying it's a bad start, but throwing them out is easy compared to keeping them out once they've been given the boot. The problem is, we've allowed a political class to establish itself in our country. These folks aspires to a life of "public service". Unfortunately, those inclined to "serve", eventually notice that nobody fires them if they help themselves to the goods. How many politicians do you know of that haven't made a career of it?

The same yahoos that were active in student government when I was in college are now screwing up government on a state and national level. These are people who go straight from school to government, usually without stopping off to prove their worth in private enterprise.

If you "fire them all", there's a whole slew of "politicians in waiting" that are ready to fill the gap. The only way I can think of to throw the bastards out, AND KEEP THEM OUT, is to place a cap on how many years any individual can serve in elective office. I'm thinking 15 years ought to be enough. Anyone up for a Constitutional Convention?

George Washington had enough sense to return to private life after serving two terms as president. That kind of statesmanship is nonexistent in this country today. Maybe we should ask ourselves why.

Stepping down from soap box now....

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Old 11-20-2011, 08:29 PM
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Heading for deep water now but I really don't believe the Executive Branch leadership is the problem right now (although B is very guilty of cronyism). Keep in mind there are 3 separate branches of government and some very polarizing figures (most of which are on Capitol Hill).

The president has morphed perhaps more than he should have in many cases to try keep a hurting nation moving forward when the world is at an economic standstill. The Judiciary has been mostly unheard because B hasn't tried to slip anything by, and the Legislature can't resolve an argument for them to consider.

I think leadership at the Legislative Branch has been the problem since before Clinton was run from office, but that period really polarized the legislative parties. Lack of co-operation between the legislators and their incessant respective pimping to corporate players that affect their constituencies has been the root of this economic dark age. I think the Nanci Pelosis and her republican mirror images need to get the hell out of the way, and that this legislative mass of egomaniacs elected by the people for the people need get their collective feces together to find common ground for the people. A good start would be to address single issues rather than bundling ridiculous fecal matter into unrelated bills for their cronies. Works for the Judiciary...

These folks are elected to do whats best for the most people - not always easy I know, but hell, couldn't they at least make an effort to consider the people that actually make the nation. e pluribus unum - remember? This is only my opinion, but a single corporation's political want should never trump the vote of a million American taxpaxers, and yet it happens every day

I see democracy as a fair way to do the best for the majority. The agreement is to agree to disagree. If I win the debate we do do it my way. You don't have to like it but you go along with it rather than sabotaging the process. When you win the debate the roles are reversed.
It's a good step toward the unattainable "Utopia."

But if one man's avarice and greed for more than he needs, or his disdain for another man's point of view force that other man to feel compelled or desperate enough steal or kill to get a bag of beans or a bottle of beer, then the principal itself is lost.

In that case only Sir Thomas More (on paper) and Todd Rundgren (on vinyl) will have Utopia. Well, and those who ride on a vdh, of course

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Where is my soap box?

Forgive me, I just got an invite to AARP.

Maybe this is just what we need.

Focus!

Put our beliefs aside and shake it up.

Every incumbent gets a pink slip.

And district 4 gets a page of his choice as a wonderful parting gift.

As Danny said, what are we doing?

Nothing, that`s what.

We have this wonderful thing called the net. Look at the Arab Spring. Get inspired.

Gillie,
This burns my biscuits,

One thought, one bill.

Get it?

We the people need to get off our collective fat rumps and type.

Flood the world with thought,
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One focus. Pink slips for all, and for all, a good night.

My country is upside down and I don`t like it at all.
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