cockpit scuppers 20 SF20

[ocuyler]

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[ November 06, 2003, 04:19 PM: Message edited by: Otto Cuyler ]

[abl1111]

Yeah. This is something that needs to be figured out once and for all. I am in the position now to get rid of the floor scupper and go through the hull.

I just have not had anyone, except for Rich, member # 44, have a very strong view on going through the transom. I tried to copy his drawing of what he did, but could not get it to paste over to this thread. So, if you're interested - go to 'Search'... Then, type in 'Scupper' as subject, choose the 'Repair/Mods.' section. Go down 3/4 of the way till you see " Scupper relocate " started by me, ABL1111. Scroll down till you see an actual drawing ( not the boat diagram ). That seems to be a good way to go...

I just don't have the balls to do it, unless I knew it would really work. Speaking of balls, I don't like the ball scupper idea - I forsee problems w/ stuff getting caught in there not to mention marine growth undermining the seal ( I keep my boat in the water 8 months of the year )

So, if someone can come up with a better mouse-trap - pls share it.

As for the scuppers having to be above the water line - I'm not sure of that. My Grady had them half in the water and half out and water almost never came back in. And that boat had the inexpensive, round plastic w/ rubber flap scuppers.

Something to think about, it just dawned on me. Maybe the floatation in the stern is not adequate. Thinking about it, my Grady White did not really dip into the water too much when weight was put in the stern. Maybe the Seacraft's design creates a much more sensitive affect when weight is put aft ?

Anyway - take a look at that thread I mentioned. It would raise the scupper at least 2" from it's 'stock' position...

ABL

[EBEACH]

Replacing the deck and raising it 2 inches is a lot of work. My deck is solid, and I had no reason to change things. I think every boat is going to float a little different. If after getting it the water and finding this a real problem, I could raise the deck. But it would be the last thing to do if I could help it. I'll be moving my battery from the front console to the back of the boat. I'm bow heavy not stern.

Wet foam stringers could account for a lot of problems. Did this boat (all) have problems right from the factory??? I don't know. Bill Potter would. I agree that the deck needs to be raised to allow the water to flow.

None of the boat test articles on the site talk about standing in a pool of water.

[Mark]

It has nothing to do with wet foam. I have a friend with a 2002 "Lefty Kreh Edition" 20' Master Anger that has had the same problem that my 1971 did. He has both of us stand on the bow at the end of the day so the soapy water from washing the boat will drain out. The floor is simply too close to sea level.

( I have no idea what the situation is like in the non-center console models. All that structure forward could make a great deal of difference)

If you don't want to raise the floor, invest in a good pair of neoprene booties. Moving the scuppers around here and there does not fundamentally change the relation of the floor to the ambient water level. Numerous posts on here speak of people putting the plugs in their scuppers when they board the boat and removing them when they tie back up to the dock. Is that really an acceptable proceedure on a rough sloppy day?

I have no burden for people to raise their floors. I'm merely suggesting a way to once and for all solve the fact that these are not inherenly a very self bailing boat. If someone prefers to leave the floor at the original height, more power to them. I've had two of these boats now, got sick of that situation, and chose to change it even though the floor in my boat was perfectly solid.

[ November 06, 2003, 08:49 PM: Message edited by: Mark ]

[strick]

Mark... I've thought about the scupper problem over and over again. I'm adding a large flotation bracket to my boat so hopfully that will take care of the problem. I do plan on filling in the factory scuppers and putting in my own thru the transom scuppers. Raising the whole deck would be a major PIA if I dont need to. It is rock solid I really dont want to open that can of worms if I dont have to. I plan on doing a test float after the new bracket and engines are bolted back on and then scupper problem will be addressed.

Strick

[Mark]

Strick,

I have no experience on this issue with anything other than the 18' (1977 model) and 20' (1971 edition) center consoles - both of which would flood if people stood in their stern with the plugs removed.

I would suspect that a floatation bracket would solve this problem and if I had a 23', that would be on my shopping list. However, I currently have a 20'CC, and while it is not complete yet, the floor is 2.25" higher than it used to be which should solve the self-bailing (or rather the lack thereof) and the deck now drains out through two scuppers in the transom instead of those interesting holes throught the bottom of the hull.

I agree that raising the stringers/floor is not a minor undertaking but it was the single most important thing I wanted changed on the boat. I was sick of yelling to a friend in the boat while underway to "quick, pull the plugs" when a wave would come in. That issue is hopefully behind me now. In addition, I didn't much like the fact that two people (or even one) couldn't fish in the stern without the plugs being in the scuppers. That simply wasn't acceptable from my perspective. I am having the entire boat redone and am trying to address every concievable item that I felt needed changing: the floor was the top of the list, but the list goes well beyond that [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

[ November 07, 2003, 10:05 AM: Message edited by: Mark ]

[TUGBOAT]

You know , I got My Mind work'n And THAT IS A DANGEROUS thing to Happen ! Just ask any FISH !!
Could there be a mid line back flo valve of some sorts put into the drain tube ? Its 1.5" so theres got to a anti-back flow valve avalable . Kinda like for aquariums and such. Hmm time to Surf the ol NET !That would be "2" scuppers in a way .simple instalation (on one side)
Just a thought to Ponder !
Scream'n reels'
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