Repowering

[Meff]

I am looking at repowering a 1988 23cc. It currently has a 1991 Yamaha 225v6. I am looking at Honda, Yamaha and Susuki. Talked with Jason who recommends the Susuki. I think I have a pretty good price for a 250 to include removal of old engine and complete replacement of rigging parts Binacle control,throttle and shift cables, key assembly, main harness Buzzer assembly and harness ss prop tach and harness $15,500 plus tax. I believe that the Yamaha 225 weighed 500lbs and the Susuki weighs 580 lbs . I am concerned that the engine might be to heavy especially the problems we have backing down in a chop. At 100 lbs less it was bad enough. The other item of concern is the servce and maintence which I hear because of the limited service available is very high. Would appreciate all info posssible positive or negative. Also what is the going price for the old Yamaha??

[FELLOW-SHIP]

It seems that all the engines now a days weigh a little more than the older ones. But you just got to deal with it. If your transom is 25” tall you could add approx 3 to 4” of material on both sides of the new engine after installed raising up the transom height of both sides which would keep out most of the water. If your transom is 30” and you use the extra long shaft you don’t need to do anything 80 lbs will not effect it that much to matter. As for the service cant help you on that question other that new engines hopefully would need much service anyway. But if that is a real problem where you live go with the Yamaha I think they just came out with a new 250 4 stroke. I am sure there will be service for that close by. Also Evenrude’s 4 stroke only weighs 500 or real close to it. Although I don’t think I personally would buy the rudes myself, maybe in a few more years.
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[ocuyler]

Meff,

Welcome to CSC! I'm looking at the same repower from a 1989 Yamaha 200, which weighs 480 pounds. I'm leaning towards Evenrude eTec 225 at 510 pounds. Will have a quote installed on Monday.

[thedink9]

Meff
I replaced twin 150 Rudes this year, on my '85 CC with a single 250 yami. That took off over 160 lbs. In addition I relocated my batteries from the rear to under the console and couldn't be more happy. Even though water will still come over the low transom, the fold down door contains 95% of it. I also replaced and resealed the small access hatch in front of the engine, which was leaking badly. I wouldn't worry about the weight of the Suzuki, but consider moving the batteries forward, as well. Dink

[warthog5]

QUOTE: I also replaced and resealed the small access hatch in front of the engine, which was leaking badly.

That is the prime spot to put a Armstrong hatch. They give you more room to work in the bildge and they DON"T leak.

[ScottM]

If your transom is 25” tall you could add approx 3 to 4” of material on both sides of the new engine after installed raising up the transom height of both sides which would keep out most of the water.

My father did this on his 23 Sceptre with a piece of 3/8" aluminum. It helps but is definitely not a permanent or optimal solution. For him it's more of a band-aid until he fully replaces the transom.

Also Evenrude’s 4 stroke only weighs 500 or real close to it.

FS - do you mean the E-tec 2-stroke? Evinrude doesn't have a 4-stroke, but Johnson does. The Johnson is a Suzuki in white clothes.

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Ha Scott
Ya I did mean the E-Tec sorry for that I haven’t kept up with the Rudes after I switched from them to Yamaha a few years back. I also agree with the concepts of adding extra length to both sides of the transom. I did it on another boat and it did help a Lot but it isn’t the ideal thing to do. I did move my batteries under my consol + oil tank + fresh water tank there as well that helps a lot. Personally I don’t like to back down on any fish in the ocean with outboard (one of the advantages of CC design is putting it in forward. My boat is set up with the engine on a 30” transom so I really don’t get very much water in the transom area anyway if I do get some when drift fishing I will through out a sea anchor and that solves the problem.
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[Hooper]

Meff-

I repowered my 23' center console SeaCraft recently and weight was a primary concern for me for obvious reasons. I went with the Evinrude 225hp ficht. Please don't let the OMC failure keep you from looking at this fine engine. Not to take away from the other mfg's but you don't have to go with a 4 stroke to get the quiet operation, smoke free burn and fuel efficiency. Plus, I paid $12,100 for the engine. I don't think you'll find a 4 banger for that price. I don't think I'd pull the trigger on an ETEC, yet... give that a couple seasons, but a Bombardier Ficht is a fine engine, please do yourself a favor and do a little looking into it and feel free to send me an email if you have any questions!!!! :gordon.gibbons@comcast.net [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

[thedink9]

Warthog
The only issue with the Armstrong hatch is the limited sizes available. The splash well area on this vintage (82-86) SC's allows for a hatch that about 10" x 20". Not too many hatches available that are long but not wide. I went with a Bomar. Dink

[warthog5]

Armstrong's Watertight Compression Deck Plate is
available in 6, 8, and 10-inch round models,
plus a 10 X 20-inch rectangular model.

http://www.armstrongnautical.com/DckPlates.htm