Repower - 4 stroke Yamaha vs Suzuki

hedgehog1957 · #1 02-02-2005, 10:40 AM

Having read many (all) of the posts on repowering, I find myself having a tough time making a decision on a new engine. I am sold on 4 stroke, but torn between Yamaha (115 or 150) and Suzuki (140).

The only thing wrong with the Suzuki I can find, is that parts/serviceablity could be an issue, and that the horsepower may be slightly overstated. I will be running the boat up on Cape Cod (Chatham), where there are limited dealers...

I like the Yamaha 150, but am concerned about putting another 60 lbs on a 78 Sceptre with original transom and the impact on the bailing system. The 115 weighs the same as the Suzuki (406 lbs), but here again I give up some HP.

From a price point, looks like the 150 is about $1500 -2000 more than the other two.

I am making a decision in the next week or so, and thought it might be worth "kicking it around" one more time with "the experts".

All comments welcomed.. Thanks. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

warthog5 · #2 02-02-2005, 10:57 AM

Part's are available here for the Suzzy.
http://www.brownspoint.com/

cSickNick · #3 02-02-2005, 11:55 AM

Heggie,

As you probably know, i have the Suzy DF140. I struggled with the same decision, as i am sure many others have.

But the bottom line is the $1.5 - 2K more and the added weight of (466 - 420) 46 lbs of Yamaha was the factor. But you do need to consider the diff in HP if it is worth it for you.

I have been hearding 10% diff off Suzuki and 10% high on Yamaha, so thats 126HP - 165HP = 40HP!! That adds up, is it true?? Maybe i should of had the dealer dyno the two before i picked??

The great trouble free track record of the DF140, 6 year warr, good price, low weight is tough to beat.

I used the diff of $$ for new hydraulic steering and now i can pack on 46 lbs without feeling guilty!

The other advice is maybe wait. I heard that Suzuki might be coming out this year with a DF150 & DF175 and pumped out of the same block/weight as the DF140 ... that might be stretching this block? This will help guys that want more ponies at the same weight .... i would be tempted but after others run the possible bugs out for a few years.

Has anyone else have any details on this or am i talking crap again .... ?? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

hope some of this rambling helps [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] ... Nick

BTW: i would stick the min HP rule(especially on a 4-stroke) of Max HP x 80%, so 175HP x 80% = 140HP

blackfin29 · #4 02-02-2005, 12:49 PM

h.h.
I am facing the same decision with my 76 20 cc, I am 95% sure I will be buying the suzuki this weekend. Between the weight, price,and 6 yr. warranty it seems like the way to go.I'm from Long Island and have 2 dealers within 6 miles of my house.I've heard great things about the 140 both from people that have it and my local Yamaha Dealer.
One thing that might make me delay is that it was just announced today that the ITC threw out Brunswicks dumping claim against Japanese 4 stroke manufacturers. I'm wondering if this might cause prices to come down, does anyone have an opinion on that?
Thanks, Blackfin

hedgehog1957 · #5 02-02-2005, 01:06 PM

I, like you, am leaning towards the Suzi. I think we have till the end of March to get the extra 3 years of warranty. I am going to stretch it out a few more weeks, but don't think I can wait months (years) as my boat has no power right now.

Interesting about the dumping case being thrown out. I don't suspect the Japs were worried anyway....

JW-Tex · #6 02-02-2005, 02:09 PM

Bought my 2005 Suzuki140 last week had it and all guages, binnalce, prop, and wiring harnesses shipped to me from out of state dealer $8,900 total (includes shipping). I will not have to pay sales tax in FL. Best price I could find locally was higher than my total cost for just the engine. There is considerable price competiton on the motor shop around...a local guy on Florida Sportsman forum indicated he got a pair of 140's with 6 year warranty $15,175 plus $200 to ship them (engines only).

blackfin29 · #7 02-02-2005, 02:53 PM

Those prices are much better than I've been quoted....did you find them online?

HannahB · #8 02-02-2005, 03:59 PM

Isn't Ryder's Cove Boatyard in Chatham a Suzi Dealer?

Finster · #9 02-02-2005, 04:26 PM

I am going on my 5th season with the DF115 with out a lick of trouble. I have a friend that has twin DF140's on a Mako 25 and he loves them. The boat isn't a speed demon but he cruises at 24+ mph and the boat tops out in the mid 30's. It sipps fuel, he runs a hundred miles out and back, tolls and burns a 100 gals. Now thats hard to beat.

I'd prefer to have a little more snot on my 23SF, so the new's of a DF150 or 175 is very exciting.

Even though I have a four stroker on one boat, I have always been a 2 stroke fan due to the weight to HP ratio.

JW-Tex · #10 02-02-2005, 04:28 PM

Bayracermarine.com (North Carolina)they have online pricing but they can do better…some of the accessories are cheaper at the site referenced on one of the reply's above.
John McKenna, BayRacer Marine,john@bayracermarine.com
252.447.2277

From the Florida Sportsman pair of DF 140 "The quote came from Boat Tune in Orlando. Pair of counter rotating 15,175 plus 200 freight. Ask to speak with Rodney when you call. 1-888-324-8348"